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Post by Incognito on May 23, 2019 10:03:21 GMT
Very decent fullback in his day.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 10:37:47 GMT
Well whatever your political leanings make sure you get out today and vote for the Brexit Party at the EU elections today. Let's show the Metropolitan Elite of both the Labour and Conservative parties exactly what we think of their pathetic attempts to thwart democracy at every turn! I only liked this post earlier because I thought it was next Thursday and you were winding us up. Turns out it is today. Is it as simple as voting Lib Dem if you want to remain? I have nay idea what is going on with this shambles, all advice welcome!
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Post by colebridgebull on May 23, 2019 11:00:38 GMT
Not sure re Hereford. Here in Gloucester we’re in the South West (and Gibraltar).
Green is encouraged for Remainers.
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Post by colebridgebull on May 23, 2019 11:07:44 GMT
Hereford is West Midlands. Brexit party is the only vote for those who wish to Leave. Labour and Conservatives likely to take a bit of a pasting.
Change U.K. is a wasted vote as is UKIP (lost their vote share to Brexit party)
If you are wishing to vote remain, then Lib Dems and Green are your two main choices.
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Post by Peroni on May 23, 2019 11:10:55 GMT
this is getting mental when people encourage you to vote liberal green
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 11:54:13 GMT
Very decent fullback in his day. This is a sign. Green it is then.
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Post by Incognito on May 23, 2019 12:05:37 GMT
Or, more recently, centre right?
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Post by changeabull on May 23, 2019 13:07:29 GMT
Hereford is West Midlands. Brexit party is the only vote for those who wish to Leave. Labour and Conservatives likely to take a bit of a pasting. Change U.K. is a wasted vote as is UKIP (lost their vote share to Brexit party) If you are wishing to vote remain, then Lib Dems and Green are your two main choices. Well as this is effectively the second referendum remainers have been campaigning for, I think it's safe to say that, if the Lib Dems and Greens don't manage to poll over 50% of the vote between them, then it's a clear vote to Leave. Again. No doubt remainers will be starting their campaign for a third referendum first thing tomorrow morning.
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Post by colebridgebull on May 23, 2019 20:10:45 GMT
If Leave win, is there any chance of someone coming up with a coherent plan. It’s been three years since the first referendum and still tumbleweed.
Someone amongst the great minds of Brexit must have something.
I know it’s a well worn record, but you can’t keep blaming those pesky Remainers for the absolute intellectual vacuum that exists in the dominion of Brexit.
There is a plan. Isn’t there....?
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on May 23, 2019 20:52:44 GMT
Hereford is West Midlands. Brexit party is the only vote for those who wish to Leave. Labour and Conservatives likely to take a bit of a pasting. Change U.K. is a wasted vote as is UKIP (lost their vote share to Brexit party) If you are wishing to vote remain, then Lib Dems and Green are your two main choices. Well as this is effectively the second referendum remainers have been campaigning for, I think it's safe to say that, if the Lib Dems and Greens don't manage to poll over 50% of the vote between them, then it's a clear vote to Leave. Again. No doubt remainers will be starting their campaign for a third referendum first thing tomorrow morning. That is, TBFL, one of your better ones. 1.5/10
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 22:03:24 GMT
There will be some wild results in this seeing as it's totally meaningless.
There will be no real message. We know Farage wil likey claim otherwise. We know 52% to leave therefore that backward thinker will most likely gain the most votes.
Meaningless.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 22:08:56 GMT
There does seem to be a slight irony to change.uk given that a vote for them is to keep the status quo and have things be exactly the same. Not that I'm claiming there is much support for them in any case but it is rather depressing that politics really is a shambles top to bottom these days. The Conservatives keep offering up open goals but everyone else keeps missing over and over again.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 22:17:08 GMT
There does seem to be a slight irony to change.uk given that a vote for them is to keep the status quo and have things be exactly the same. Not that I'm claiming there is much support for them in any case but it is rather depressing that politics really is a shambles top to bottom these days. The Conservatives keep offering up open goals but everyone else keeps missing over and over again. and labour refusing to even take a shot
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Post by colebridgebull on May 24, 2019 10:32:57 GMT
Harking back to the title of this thread, one of the true costs of BREXIT Is the PM’s job, and, more than likely, the job of her successor.
Perhaps it will be Johnson. Maybe Raab. Maybe even, (snigger), Leadsom. All empty vessels when it actually comes to trying to drive the Leave project through. Whoever it is will be left with the same Parliamentary arithmetic that scuppered May. The EU aren’t going to renegotiate (why would they-our poor bargaining hand has just got even poorer). There is no Parliamentary will to leave without a deal. It would be economic di***ter to do so.
But it might finally be time for those who want BREXIT to now come up with some way of delivering it that won’t damage this country economically and socially for generations.
There is, of course, the option of calling the whole thing off.
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Post by Peroni on May 24, 2019 10:44:34 GMT
well it sums up what a clotpole community the EU is, if it cannot easily facilitate a member who wishes to leave, all sounds a bit dodgy criminal and corrupt imagine how someone would feel when they try and leave their old boys golfing society, and they start stinging them for the lost membership fee for the next 10 years
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Post by colebridgebull on May 24, 2019 10:55:28 GMT
That’s an incredibly odd analogy.
It’s not for the EU to facilitate our leaving. We chose to do so. It’s an economic union with thousands of obligations to untangle and numerous practical problems to address. The Irish Border probably being the most obvious one.
In addition, we have to pay what we owe if and when we do leave. The commitments this country made. If we want to trade on any sort of terms in future with anyone, we need to be trusted. It’s not rocket science.
Again- like most Remainers, I think leaving is a catastrophic mistake. I don’t see how it can be done. Fortunately, it’s not my problem.
It’s time for those who said that it would be easy and promised the earth to deliver.
Better order a huge box of popcorn.
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Post by MAXBULL on May 24, 2019 12:10:29 GMT
That’s an incredibly odd analogy. It’s not for the EU to facilitate our leaving. We chose to do so. It’s an economic union with thousands of obligations to untangle and numerous practical problems to address. The Irish Border probably being the most obvious one. In addition, we have to pay what we owe if and when we do leave. The commitments this country made. If we want to trade on any sort of terms in future with anyone, we need to be trusted. It’s not rocket science. Again- like most Remainers, I think leaving is a catastrophic mistake. I don’t see how it can be done. Fortunately, it’s not my problem. It’s time for those who said that it would be easy and promised the earth to deliver. Better order a huge box of popcorn. Please God no! I’m stuffed!
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Post by colebridgebull on May 27, 2019 10:17:27 GMT
Hereford is West Midlands. Brexit party is the only vote for those who wish to Leave. Labour and Conservatives likely to take a bit of a pasting. Change U.K. is a wasted vote as is UKIP (lost their vote share to Brexit party) If you are wishing to vote remain, then Lib Dems and Green are your two main choices. One of the easier predictions. Not entirely sure what to make of that. Low turnout of course, but (excluding Labour and Conservative vote -with a decent argument that ardent Brexit supporters probably deserted as did ardent Remainers) a narrow victory for Remain over hard Brexit. No Deal is dead for a number of reasons (not least Parliamentary numbers) so we’re left with some sort of renegotiated deal (EU not going there beyond minor tweaking) and revocation of Article 50. Matthew Parris came up with an interesting idea. Thinks that the best chance of Revocation is Johnson becoming PM as he is the only politician who would get away with it. He’s got a point. Labour now have to pin their colours to the mast of a People’s Vote with Remain on the ballot. It’s not an untenable position for them and won’t split the party. The Tories are irretrievably damaged in current form. 🍿
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Post by Saul Goodman on May 27, 2019 10:37:56 GMT
Parris wasn't the only one to suggest that Johnson might do as you suggest.
And, unlikely as it seems, it's probably the only workable solution.
Scotland continues to promote leaving the UK union but remains committed to staying in the European Union. Bizarre.
And now Wales is adopting a similar stance.
British politics has been proven to be utterly broken, in itself a fairly dangerous predicament.
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Post by singe on May 27, 2019 10:40:14 GMT
Interesting times. How do you see this playing out, Tim? I haven't got a clue. Saw the Raab interview on the Marr show yesterday and he's gunning for a hard Brexit if he becomes leader of the Tories. Would be great to see another few Tory MPs leave the party, especially if Doris becomes PM. Vote of no confidence and the a GE. Personally, I feel Corbyn probably has to go and Labour absolutely need to nail their mast firmly on the Remain banner. We're all gobsmacked over here that Brexit still has any support.
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