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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2018 21:48:39 GMT
There is literally no anti-Semitism in this incident other than by the unnamed author of the original Facebook post. Some one posts an article on the holocaust being a myth or something along those lines with zero comment. Now to my mind when people do that on facebook they are advertising it in that they agree with it. Look at the Labour MP's who are not happy with the situation right now. I'm just utterly puzzled as to why people on here are attempting to sweep it under the carpet as if there's not even the slightest of evidence of there being a problem. Its incredible that people wont admit that there's a problem in extreme left wing ideology. To my mind, when someone posts something with which they disagree without comment, it's unreasonable to assume they automatically agree with it. I mean, there's room for doubt. It isn't clear cut. Someone in his position would be unwise to do it. People jump to conclusions, don't always interpret actions in the way the were intended. It doesn't automatically make them an anti-semite but it does give those with a certain agenda the opportunity to use it, so it was a stupid move. There is a problem with extreme left wing ideology. Right wing apologists keep constructing straw man arguments with it to criticise the Labour party.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2018 22:14:41 GMT
Some one posts an article on the holocaust being a myth or something along those lines with zero comment. Now to my mind when people do that on facebook they are advertising it in that they agree with it. Look at the Labour MP's who are not happy with the situation right now. I'm just utterly puzzled as to why people on here are attempting to sweep it under the carpet as if there's not even the slightest of evidence of there being a problem. Its incredible that people wont admit that there's a problem in extreme left wing ideology. Unlike some on here I'm not accusing the whole of the Labour party of being anti semitic like when some people tarnish all conservatives with the same brush. But I think that many of you have shown yourselves up to be what you really are these past couple of years. I think deep down many of you are anti semitic which is actually rather amusing considering all the stuff I've had thrown at me over the years. But overall this forum has been beyond a joke for too long now and the sooner colebridge let's some one level headed take over the forum the better. Otherwise nothing will actually change. Jammo, you are in no position to take the high moral ground here. You once quoted from a right wing website whose stock in trade is antisemitism and holocaust denial. You denied it strenuously. Some might have even believed you. Maybe we should "sweep it under the carpet". I will if you will. After all, you were young and stupid. But it is tough to deal with your rank hypocrisy on anything to do with equality and social justice. I've never quote from a right wing website. They may have re-used paragraphs or links but its not the case that everything they post is going to be completely outrageous. It was widely shared on social media and they obviously took advantage of it. I mean heck I might even agree with people that I despire on really small little things. Jeremy Corbyn, George Galloway, even various dictators. But it doesn't it any way mean that you agree with the vast majority of the things that they do or say. It really is a bit of a boring argument though because most people are not stupid enough to believe it. I've even said that anti Semitism and holocaust denial is just one of many reasons why I couldn't in any way be a part of that group of people. But it is exactly the same on the far left and yet not one of you have the balls to admit it. Which is a pity really because the more you deny it the more the problem becomes ignored and in many ways accepted as the norm. But I think brining this up is just another desperate attempt to incriminate me given that most of you have shown everyone who you really are over the past few days. Couldn't even be friend with a tory one of you said. I mean that really in essence does sum it up. What incredibly hateful, sad and depressing lives some of you must live to say such a thing.
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Post by singe on Mar 30, 2018 23:53:30 GMT
Throw in the fact that he simply ignores posts when he's asked to front up with facts. What do you think of our zany back to front tailenders first batting line up? Didn't see that coming did you? More concerned about the way the English bowling attack have started.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 8:07:47 GMT
Jammo, you are in no position to take the high moral ground here. You once quoted from a right wing website whose stock in trade is antisemitism and holocaust denial. You denied it strenuously. Some might have even believed you. Maybe we should "sweep it under the carpet". I will if you will. After all, you were young and stupid. But it is tough to deal with your rank hypocrisy on anything to do with equality and social justice. I've never quote from a right wing website. They may have re-used paragraphs or links but its not the case that everything they post is going to be completely outrageous. It was widely shared on social media and they obviously took advantage of it. I mean heck I might even agree with people that I despire on really small little things. Jeremy Corbyn, George Galloway, even various dictators. But it doesn't it any way mean that you agree with the vast majority of the things that they do or say. It really is a bit of a boring argument though because most people are not stupid enough to believe it. I've even said that anti Semitism and holocaust denial is just one of many reasons why I couldn't in any way be a part of that group of people. But it is exactly the same on the far left and yet not one of you have the balls to admit it. Which is a pity really because the more you deny it the more the problem becomes ignored and in many ways accepted as the norm. But I think brining this up is just another desperate attempt to incriminate me given that most of you have shown everyone who you really are over the past few days. Couldn't even be friend with a tory one of you said. I mean that really in essence does sum it up. What incredibly hateful, sad and depressing lives some of you must live to say such a thing. I nave never voted anything other than Conservative (that's what it says on the ticket - not Tory, a pejorative term.) Whilst I'm running the professional rule over Murphy this afternoon, if he gets picked, you can be posting on here an explanation of the murder overnight of 16 (sixteen) Palestinians. Cheers. PS I'm not terribly interested in a bit of childish stuff on Facebook.
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Post by changeabull on Mar 31, 2018 10:16:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 10:33:37 GMT
Yes, of course. We all know now. AND he supports Arsenal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 11:42:10 GMT
Whilst I'm running the professional rule over Murphy this afternoon, if he gets picked, you can be posting on here an explanation of the murder overnight of 16 (sixteen) Palestinians.Gaza hospitals, running low on blood and overstretched by the huge number of wounded, were reeling after one of the enclave’s bloodiest days outside of open war, in which Israeli soldiers shot 773 people with live ammunition, according to the ministry of health.www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/31/palestinians-hold-day-of-mourning-after-773-shot-with-live-ammunition
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Post by colebridgebull on Mar 31, 2018 11:56:47 GMT
Yes, of course. We all know now. AND he supports Arsenal. The same Lord Sugar who resigned from the Labour Party in 2015 because of their anti-enterprise policies (presumably fair taxation) and perceived shift away from the Blairite free market economy he'd benefited from? Or is there another one? (let's leave aside his association with arch right winger Karren Brady and her shady dealings with that snake oil salesman Johnson over the London Stadium) Clearly a man of principle...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 12:13:08 GMT
The same Blair who pointed out that Corbyn is no racist only this week.
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Post by changeabull on Mar 31, 2018 13:09:17 GMT
Yes, of course. We all know now. AND he supports Arsenal. The same Lord Sugar who resigned from the Labour Party in 2015 because of their anti-enterprise policies (presumably fair taxation) and perceived shift away from the Blairite free market economy he'd benefited from? Or is there another one? (let's leave aside his association with arch right winger Karren Brady and her shady dealings with that snake oil salesman Johnson over the London Stadium) Clearly a man of principle... Ah, the classic "if you don't like the message attack the messenger" argument! Whatever you think of Lord Sugar, he is very highly regarded as someone who worked his way up from nothing to become one of this country's most successful businessmen. People like him generate wealth, create jobs and are an inspiration to anyone wanting to better themselves. Of course, your personal attack on Lord Sugar could also be because you yourself hold anti-Semitic views, likewise your attack on Karren Brady suggests you hold outdated and sexist views on women in football. Either way you're not making yourself or your beloved leader Mr Corbyn look very good on here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 13:34:57 GMT
The same Lord Sugar who has deleted the tweet in question and claimed that he was not the "originator"?
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Post by colebridgebull on Mar 31, 2018 13:38:12 GMT
The same Lord Sugar who resigned from the Labour Party in 2015 because of their anti-enterprise policies (presumably fair taxation) and perceived shift away from the Blairite free market economy he'd benefited from? Or is there another one? (let's leave aside his association with arch right winger Karren Brady and her shady dealings with that snake oil salesman Johnson over the London Stadium) Clearly a man of principle... Ah, the classic "if you don't like the message attack the messenger" argument! Whatever you think of Lord Sugar, he is very highly regarded as someone who worked his way up from nothing to become one of this country's most successful businessmen. People like him generate wealth, create jobs and are an inspiration to anyone wanting to better themselves. Of course, your personal attack on Lord Sugar could also be because you yourself hold anti-Semitic views, likewise your attack on Karren Brady suggests you hold outdated and sexist views on women in football. Either way you're not making yourself or your beloved leader Mr Corbyn look very good on here. Just correcting yet another one of your deliberate misrepresentations. Very tedious now. Do keep up.
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Post by changeabull on Mar 31, 2018 14:57:24 GMT
Ah, the classic "if you don't like the message attack the messenger" argument! Whatever you think of Lord Sugar, he is very highly regarded as someone who worked his way up from nothing to become one of this country's most successful businessmen. People like him generate wealth, create jobs and are an inspiration to anyone wanting to better themselves. Of course, your personal attack on Lord Sugar could also be because you yourself hold anti-Semitic views, likewise your attack on Karren Brady suggests you hold outdated and sexist views on women in football. Either way you're not making yourself or your beloved leader Mr Corbyn look very good on here. Just correcting yet another one of your deliberate misrepresentations. Very tedious now. Do keep up. "Attack the post, not the poster". Why do you keep ignoring your own forum's rules? Is it because you don't have a cohesive ( do you mean coherent?) argument to defend Jeremy Corbyn's anti-Semitic views?
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Post by somnambulist on Mar 31, 2018 15:52:20 GMT
Just correcting yet another one of your deliberate misrepresentations. Very tedious now. Do keep up. "Attack the post, not the poster". Why do you keep ignoring your own forum's rules? Is it because you don't have a cohesive argument to defend Jeremy Corbyn's anti-Semitic views? Here's a "cohesive argument". But I don't suppose it will stop you. blogs.timesofisrael.com/jeremy-corbyn-is-an-anti-racist-not-an-antisemite/
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 21:23:14 GMT
Brexit won't solve the true problem in this country.
W40 L30, 10 pints of pi55 and a few lines of scavenged cocaine
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Post by mikeunderpenyard on Mar 31, 2018 21:46:38 GMT
Brexit won't solve the true problem in this country. W40 L30, 10 pints of pi55 and a few lines of scavenged cocaine Are you describing a typical night out in Llandudno?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 8:17:22 GMT
Brexit won't solve the true problem in this country. W40 L30, 10 pints of pi55 and a few lines of scavenged cocaine Are you describing a typical night out in Llandudno? Say what you see
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 10:40:16 GMT
Oh dear now even the donors are pulling out!
Meanwhile, one of Labour's biggest private donors has told the Observer he has left the party over its failure to deal with "the most blatant acts of anti-Semitism". Sir David Garrard, who has donated £1.5 million to Labour since 2003, told the paper: "I have watched with dismay and foreboding the manner in which the leadership has, in my view, over the last two years, conducted itself."
On Friday Mr Corbyn admitted Labour must "do better" over its handling of anti-Semitism.
Still no anti Semitism problem then chaps?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 10:46:35 GMT
Not until actions speak larger than words. Nothing has happened apart from, that is, The Massacre of the Sixteen Innocents.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 11:09:34 GMT
Not until actions speak larger than words. Nothing has happened apart from, that is, The Massacre of the Sixteen Innocents. Oh so after the Manchester attacks I can go and abuse some random Muslim person in the street. Is that what you're saying? Are you trying to tell everyone that British Jews are responsible for what's going on a thousand miles away. You know the thing I love about the left is that they tie themselves in knots. They for some unknown reason completely change their viewpoint depending on who they are talking about. I'm also loving all the deleted posts in this thread too. Especially when they're not even controversial or anything. Really does make me laugh.
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