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Post by MAXBULL on Jul 10, 2018 8:47:40 GMT
They're disagreeing over how Brexit should be implemented not whether it should happen or not. That's right. Unfortunately, the argument isn't about achieving the best result for the country, it's all about pacifying the disaster capitalists on the Conservative back bench and their wealthy backers, who actively seek to profit from this disaster. It is nothing more than a desperate bid to retain power. There is no version of Brexit that will leave the country in a better state. Article 50 can, and should, be withdrawn immediately. Well that would make life interesting. I’m off to dig a bunker.
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Jul 10, 2018 8:55:32 GMT
The whole shambles began with a Tory who didn’t consider for a second that ‘we’ would be stupid enough to vote leave. When ‘we’ did, he fecked off.
The shambles was exacerbated by handing the leave process to a the weakest and least competant candidate possible, who was an acknowledged remainer.
A massive amount of leave propaganda has been exposed as fanciful, inaccurate, illegal and untruthful. The LieBus was only a fraction of it.
If, IF Brexit happens, it will be a watered down version that the hard brexiters will despise, will cost the tories the next election, and leave all of us bar a handful of old Etonians and their uber-wealthy mates considerably poorer. And pitied/mocked by the rest of Europe.
It’s like we’ve taken the storyline from ‘The Producers’, made it real, and said ‘You’re all coming, like it or not, and it’s £2,000 a ticket. Each. For the next thirty years.’
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Post by Hawkeye on Jul 10, 2018 9:09:32 GMT
I almost like that summary.
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Post by singe on Jul 10, 2018 9:30:12 GMT
They're disagreeing over how Brexit should be implemented not whether it should happen or not. Johnny's desperate attempts to stop it really are hilarious though. You can just imagine him walking around town shouting idiot in his head at every person he sees in the street. I wonder though if some one could get this thread closed too by writing a sob story. In the words of CB "It'll never happen!" So, are you happy with the way Brexit is progressing, jammo?
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Post by Peroni on Jul 10, 2018 9:33:51 GMT
They're disagreeing over how Brexit should be implemented not whether it should happen or not. Johnny's desperate attempts to stop it really are hilarious though. You can just imagine him walking around town shouting idiot in his head at every person he sees in the street. I wonder though if some one could get this thread closed too by writing a sob story. In the words of CB "It'll never happen!" So, are you happy with the way Brexit is progressing, jammo? the eu are the only ones happy with path of brexit, laffing so much they choke on their crossants
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Post by Incognito on Jul 10, 2018 10:28:58 GMT
Indeed. They are displaying all the dictatorial, selfish attitudes that confirm why we should leave.
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Post by Hawkeye on Jul 10, 2018 10:43:03 GMT
Well, yes, but the "leave" process has been so monumentally fecked up that come the October deadline our parliamentarians will still be arguing about everything.
The most ill thought-out sequence of events without properly considering the consequences probably since Hitler chose to invade Poland.
That went well too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 11:10:22 GMT
Indeed. They are displaying all the dictatorial, selfish attitudes that confirm why we should leave. ...but not at all costs which seems to be where we are headed. I'd argue not at any cost, but there seems to be a general acceptance that that isn't possible. Therefore any perceived benefits must be seen to outweigh the demonstrable costs of the decision. Shirley if the deal that eventually gets agreed is a load of horseshit, there should be an option to call it off until some grownups can sit down and have a go at it?
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Post by Palms Halt on Jul 10, 2018 11:59:23 GMT
Indeed. They are displaying all the dictatorial, selfish attitudes that confirm why we should leave. They've got to do what's in the best interests of their members. They're more of a priority than the country that has stuck the middle finger up to them all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 12:24:13 GMT
Indeed. They are displaying all the dictatorial, selfish attitudes that confirm why we should leave. It is perfectly possible they will when we actually tell them what the feck we want. (Quite alliterative that. Think I might get straight in the HT as a junior reporter.)
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Post by nailswortholdbull on Jul 10, 2018 14:00:03 GMT
Indeed. They are displaying all the dictatorial, selfish attitudes that confirm why we should leave. It is perfectly possible they will when we actually tell them what the feck we want. (Quite alliterative that. Think I might get straight in the HT as a junior reporter.) It is, potentially, perfectly possible...……….. Better still?
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Post by Palms Halt on Jul 10, 2018 14:05:01 GMT
3 questions for the 51%: - What was it you wanted when you voted for Brexit?
- Do you feel you're likely to get what it was you voted for?
- What are you willing to sacrifice to get whatever it was that you wanted?
I'm not looking to bitch or score points, but would genuinely be interested to see if people are hopeful of getting the outcome they wished for, and if it's at a cost they were/weren't willing to pay.
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Post by Hawkeye on Jul 10, 2018 14:24:14 GMT
As I recall it, the question was "do you want to leave or remain in the European Union?"
There were no indications of what would likely happen whichever way one voted.
I was one of those who naively believed, no, trusted in, our politicians to safely negotiate on my behalf to secure what I believed I had voted for, which was to leave, should my desire be reflected by the majority of those who voted.
And look what happened.
Were another referendum to be called, I would now certainly vote the opposite way.
Not because it would be what I wished for, but out of fear of what will befall us if we do leave what has become an uncontrollable monster of an organisation.
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Post by Peroni on Jul 10, 2018 14:27:12 GMT
As I recall it, the question was "do you want to leave or remain in the European Union?" There were no indications of what would likely happen whichever way one voted. I was one of those who naively believed, no, trusted in, our politicians to safely negotiate on my behalf to secure what I believed I had voted for, which was to leave, should my desire be reflected by the majority of those who voted. And look what happened. Were another referendum to be called, I would now certainly vote the opposite way. Not because it would be what I wished for, but out of fear of what will befall us if we do leave what has become an uncontrollable monster of an organisation. all the more reason to exit properly
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Post by Hawkeye on Jul 10, 2018 14:30:15 GMT
Yes.
Nobody apoears capable of doing just that though.
Despite attempting (and singularly failing) to do it for what seems an age.
That is our collective problem, wouldn't you say?
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Post by donkey on Jul 10, 2018 14:32:05 GMT
Like most reasonable people I feel that the problem isn't Brexit, it's the fact the government tasked with doing it is full of remoaners.
We need to get rid of May and appoint a new PM who won't take any crap from the EU's unelected bureaucrats. Either Boris or Jacob Rees Mugg would be ideal
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Post by Palms Halt on Jul 10, 2018 14:32:27 GMT
As I recall it, the question was "do you want to leave or remain in the European Union?" There were no indications of what would likely happen whichever way one voted. I was one of those who naively believed, no, trusted in, our politicians to safely negotiate on my behalf to secure what I believed I had voted for, which was to leave, should my desire be reflected by the majority of those who voted. And look what happened. Were another referendum to be called, I would now certainly vote the opposite way. Not because it would be what I wished for, but out of fear of what will befall us if we do leave what has become an uncontrollable monster of an organisation. Did you feel that we'd have to sacrifice anything in order to leave?
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Post by donkey on Jul 10, 2018 14:36:19 GMT
As I recall it, the question was "do you want to leave or remain in the European Union?" There were no indications of what would likely happen whichever way one voted. I was one of those who naively believed, no, trusted in, our politicians to safely negotiate on my behalf to secure what I believed I had voted for, which was to leave, should my desire be reflected by the majority of those who voted. And look what happened. Were another referendum to be called, I would now certainly vote the opposite way. Not because it would be what I wished for, but out of fear of what will befall us if we do leave what has become an uncontrollable monster of an organisation. Did you feel that we'd have to sacrifice anything in order to leave? A goat to their satanic majesties of Brussels?
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Post by Peroni on Jul 10, 2018 14:40:00 GMT
Were another referendum to be called
They would have to call 2 more, to make it the best of 3
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Post by donkey on Jul 10, 2018 14:41:34 GMT
Were another referendum to be called
They would have to call 2 more, to make it the best of 3 That's what the remoaners want. Keep having referendums until the people vote to stay in the EU. Democracy is irrelevant to them.
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